So we are getting to the interactive portion of the event. So, Patrick Smith, who introduced himself earlier, I'm really excited for this part by the way -- here so let me -- oh, yes. And for the AV, if he could bring some the iPads down.

Please also bring one for me.

So, Patrick Smith, he is a chief lower in her Iowa school, and he teaches tech, and he specialize in Texas testability so he does this screenreader workshop and I know for a lot of people they do screen readers all the time you are all preferred or sighted people, it is often really difficult to learn how to use a screen I personally struggle to try and learn so Patrick is going to try and teach us in few minutes. And so, to start, I will handed over to him, but if you have an iOS device, give Betty we have some additional ones if you do not have one. But here I go I will hand it over to him.

Presenter: Thank you so much Jen. And I'm not successful as Josh -- I don't have any slides but I have a resource. So if you want to try and access this web page, or if you are following along online, hopefully they can put a link to the resource in the chat as well. But you can go to the Iota School.com and it's on the front page if you scroll down. But, we're going to grab some of these iPads and such, and hopefully a certain number of you have iOS devices but today we're going to learn to use this screenreader. In a do you know what it's very cool but it's the first time I run this workshop are working to a significant number of blind people in the audience which is good. You can tell me what's thinks about this and how I can work it out. But I hope it's a little bit validating to have people around you learn a thing or two about screenreader, it's a weird private experience when you are a print disabled person a user screenreader you have all your devices talk to you all the time they are using your phone and the reality that's awesome differ from the people around you it could be alienating so let me know if you find it a little bit validating to have people around you also have robots talking into the ears. And so, we will start with how this is towards the end of the day. So I made Scott was pretty hands-on and interactive and fun as well. So we Saint interactive stuff of the afternoon when you're probably sliding a little bit. We're going to be, for most of the structure going to be doing stuff. And -- the website will be connected to you whether your own implicit website or your organization website or are, and app that you frequently use an iOS they are interested in. And so, honestly, I'm going to get into some caveats and so on. But let's get into what is a screenreader and I will lay some caveats improvisers and so on there. I also just want to say that I can talk fast. I can try and slow down a little bit. But can people hear me okay?

Okay I sound better now. I do sound a lot better now. [Laughter] All right okay. So what is a screenreader? First of all I'd like to say when I'm not talking about accessibility I am often talking about or teaching about people and how to use technology. Him teach Stater College in city of New York. In college and, it is something I introduce people to that I really enjoyed bringing people into the New World. It is a little different but are making an analogy. So, it is that you all use your computer every day. Use your web browser, you use your mail apps, your social media apps on your phone, all of the stuff. You use it probably am guessing that she may not be true for everyone but he use it to a user interface. It basically means that the computer usage old delay that draws a lot of boxes and windows up and buttons. And also to things on your screen. But you know, I'm going to pretend now, without talk about it for a minute but will say visually, but, what was actually the case and there's a whole other -- that's only the iceberg of the world of software. And, one thing I teach my students is the command line or the terminal where there's a lot of other words for it. But it's essentially a whole other world lurking beneath the surface. Another way to interact with your computer and it does look like were Hock east Tan 80 movies or whatever. But it is also how more than half of our software is written for that. Most of because it is often what programs and use and they laughed him right just enough for them to use not something. And they will write a the graphical parts. So there's a lot of software out there that you can use if you graphical user interface. So similarly, and I'm also very excited to introduce you which is a world of the screenreader. In similar to the terminal which is lurking beneath the surface is the screenreader is a completely different way of interacting with your computer. Essentially, or your phone, but that's also computer. So, a screenreader is essentially a program that runs a note allows you to interact with your operating systems and all its intended applications and functionality. Nonvisually. And I don't say that this is necessarily through audio because they are different modalities that you can experience a screenreader through. In the main tool being either listening to audio, so in listening to synthesized speech or, listening to braille displayed. And a braille display is typically delivered through a refresh of a braille display which is very expensive devices. There are often many thousands of dollars in the rival cars and their expenses often and it can be easily $60,000 anything like that. There are much cheaper ones but that is another way that commuters can share information with their users. The current ecosystem of screen readers is one were going to be using today and its voice-over on iOS. Which is pretty different piece of screen readers. This also voice-over on my computers which is the main screen readers that is used on Mack or a desktop or laptop devices. It is also called voice-over. It's a pretty different beats and is not really use very similarly. You have to learn a different thing for that. So were going to be learning -- and I would argue this is the most intuitive then going in the first few hours or minutes or hours of using him. However, there is also the android answer to a voice-over or talkback. I will say does not have the same uptake in the community. People can speak up if they are disagree or their vocal android users or something. My experience voice-over seems to work a lot more for visually impaired folks are blind people. Also, I will say on desktop or Windows are probably more popular, for blind people, and they are divided into draws which is a proprietary and somewhat expensive screenreader job access was just what it stands for. And there's also the only VDA, my personal favorite which is more of a scrappy open source and -- actually line developed which is very close to Australia by fellows created that in the mid-2000s. And I'm very glad they did. It's very habitable in a talk that up a little bit more but that's probably one of the one they really open standard right now. And then, in addition, there is -- it's not the best one I'm sorry, Emma Grande exist, but it's orca, it's orca for landing cinnamon feel like I'm missing that but on a chrome book you can use chrome box, which is action not terrible, and you can use it on Google Chrome with so little difficulty. If you run a Lennix or something like that it's actually not the words it's hard to get it working but is not actually about screenreader. And so, let's go to the next one which I believe is -- this is the caveats. Okay. So, one distinction is very important with the screenreader when you're entering the world of screen readers and you also are thinking about this world of analyzing things for accessibility or building assessable things. There are sodas two ways this is conveying information. It's a little bit of a difficult distinction to get it, and I'm sorry you know lot of accessibility folks who say I know this very well but hopefully I'm not trying to -- but hopefully this distinction between visual conveyance of information and semantic information. Semantic is a really fancy word but basically it means meaningful. It means sharing meaning. And in the world of apps and the world of websites and HTML. There are structures, the computer will either know what a particular structure is or object is or interfaces or will not. And I'll give an example and explain it more. If this is one of my classes this is when I pop something open and create a very simple website or something but were not live right now. But, imagine, and I'm sorry that many of you may not be super familiar with it but behind the scenes -- and actually can you press the Max Burton you? Can you hit that? This is dangerous but it works. Thank you. Here are some scary looking stuff but don't get too stressed out. But basically this is what you are dealing with when you are under the covers whenever you're putting up a website. It's basically trying to explain what we are seeing here it is HTML which is -- it's basically a structural tree form. So it's a nested structure. Things within things. First there will be two elements are two attacks that create an element that is all the and eight you man well. and then there's another one that is the body of the text. And within that you can have also to have different structures. If you have a heading, you will have a start and end with the heading tag if each one. Conveying, inside that you will put the text of the heading and, the reason we do this is because the way the HTML is conceived, the markup language it is basically a way of describing documents. And, what we mean is what we discover the document's that were telling the computer how the different elements are for it. So we say this is a heading. We see this is a paragraph. This is a list. This is a link. This is a button. These are things we explained to the computer and we do that so the computer knows how to build that and how to use Isaiah. Unfortunately, and they are overgrazed to build websites that will convey information visually but will the be semantic. Essentially the computer will have no idea what you're intending to do. And so, the example could be that you can unintimidate them now if you would like. Please bring it back. So, say you are creating a banana website. The semantic way to do it is you open a time, and you say angle bracket is not a word the people say, but angle bracket button and close angle bracket and you make attack of buttons he put some information about the button they enclosed the tag and you bracket/button. And -- but you basically create a button by saying button. This is a button computer. However, it is very easy to make a button by using somatic tax. And you can make it look identical to a button that is actually properly described to the computer. In two nondisabled use. Driving the things around with the mouse and doing things for a quote unquote conventional way they will encounter the button the same way the semantic button. However, if you screenreader user will rely on the distinction that that structure is actually being described properly. So, I will say that distinction underlies not everything, but a very large percent of issues with accessibility. Is that people implementing information and visual information without conveying the semantic element that will allow Alex Quevedo to do the job. So if you are understanding that, and then extended the idea of semantics and semantic elements and making things semantic and meaningful or explaining things to the computer they you're going to make much more accessible things. So, let us talk about -- were going to transition towards this practical part so get excited because were about to be doing things pretty soon. But I wanted to these caveats and provided. Yeah working of words. But basically I want to say actually for things. I know I'll he said three but this actually one more thing I want to say. That is first, the point of this exercise is not so you have empathy for blind people so you feel blessed for us blind people. It would feel a little like that because for you it'll be a little foot difficult to use this. I'm speaking now to having use it before. And maybe feel a little difficult and awkward to use a screenreader and that is normal. Especially if you are learning a new thing. However, most people use this every day and have been using them for a long time in we're pretty fast with them in good with them. Not in all cases, but often. So your experience of trying it for the first time will not necessarily be as smooth because it should never be smooth. But it will not be as -- the facility comes with experience they experience will not necessarily be the expense of a blind person using the screenreader. Because a blind people have been using it for longer. So I just want to say that but the purpose of the exercise is to actually get a little taste of it. But do not worry about us it's good that we have screen readers. They are going to have. At the same time, on the flip side, don't assume that just because screen readers exist that blind people can necessarily do everything. I'm not saying that blind people -- I should say disabled because people with different disabilities or dyslexia and other disabilities or mental ability they also use screen readers so I'm sorry, I'm being a little colloquial there, but there's a lot of screen readers using it as well. But, unfortunately, is facing seen today, then everything is made to be assessable. And that's a little bit of an understatement but, a lot is assessable and things have gotten better and things will hopefully continue to get better. But, do not think that just because they exist they are not then be able to do everything. Because the screenreader we are is kind of relying on things having to be properly implemented. In the we have assessable facilities with the act. whatever were trying to use. In iOS. One might think, I related to this now, but it's not just blind people, if you are saying -- if any of you using the screenreader, don't assume that everyone using the screenreader will move on. It's simply not the case. Also, do not assume everyone is using screenreader because even blind people have different outer range of vision. I have about 2% vision. So I have peripheral vision which is useful at times to have but it's some things that I can't do link can do and that's true of a lot of blind people so do not make assumptions about people seeing things and not seeing things. Or just because the screenreader is on they might when use assessable visible they want to use iPhoto and ethics. So don't assume it will be nonvisible. In this one other thing I want to add that's not on here and I'll add it after this and this is been inspired by a conversation between Josh Miele intending that yesterday, and Tony said which my experience -- my experience was that when you turn on the screenreader it talks to you so much it can be overwhelming. It's essentially an overload right. And Josh said which I agree with is the first thing you teach people when the screenreader areas is that you get her to talk. The second thing you do is he trying to teach them to shut it out. So would do that right after we teach her to. I will teach you the magic gamble teach you to be slanted so that's an important part of it. Hayek, solicited into it. We will get these iPads down here.

Who doesn't have an iOS device?

You want to do the neat thing that Josh Day? Say you need one is more important but I'm curious. And I have one as well. My phone is pretty out of date to. This is like an iPad to many. All right, so we have activated -- and I want to show you a couple different ways of getting this to going. Were going to have a pretty wide away of devices they'll tell you a couple of different ways of getting component to point B and hopefully one of them will work for you. If not let us know who will come around to help out okay? Also we have plenty people in this room and, hopefully they can also help. They are experts at please just tuck them in the shoulder and tell them what they have to say to get this thing going okay? So, you put it in some salt water. Take her to stop talking. All right so, hopefully you have had Iowa's device in your hand is that a reasonable assumption? Should I give them a second? Okay. So there are two basic types of eye gizmos that we will have to deal with. Number one, they have the home button. These older devices they also have iOS devices that are like that whatever number CA's, and the cheaper one than they also have the home button. I personally like having a home button but they are the older ones that they try get rid of. So, what were basically going to try and do is talk to these people straightforward, and then we'll show you another way in case he doesn't you. Not everyone is able to speak to Siri because I have a dad who is from Monahan and Siri just him. [Laughter] And that's in Ireland. We will try to talk to Siri. In a minute teach you to show you two different ways to get to the iOS devices that have Siri come up in one evening trying to say when you have her attention and yes this will be cares because everyone can be doing at the same time but that's fine part of the exercise okay trying away he has out. We need to get a hold on the home button okay, if you have one now Larry Shyatt ability to it and then, if you do not have the home button you in a hold on the lock button does make it the attention. So I started on this and have read or work space it started and it didn't make sense to first. He if found great. Okay turn on voice-over. Good. Thank you. All right, so I just said, I held down the home button which is a bottom in the button in the middle of the device. In the bottom. And go ahead, this can be a noisy session but I held down the home button which is in the middle, and then I said, what I had to raise attention, which I kind of like when it makes his sun didn't make a sound but I did get his. Then I said turn on voice-over. Then I waited here in that tone and said something so I was really good. So the default for service for Samantha. So that's the one I use. So, we have voice-over on, maybe for some people. So I'm going to show you another way know what I want for that he can't because I want everyone to get there and then a muscle cliche in a long way to okay? Because you can't get it to work there are other ways to get it to work. So if you don't have the little home button and just hold on the lock button and many devices this on the top right. Sometimes that's the only button on those newer devices. So hold down the button and say turn on voice-over. RA, the long way to do it is I have to turn on -- I'm not hearing mine so I have to turn the volume. Hang on a saying I need to get my thing going here. Ahead of fell into the brown rank because only two hands. Thank you.

Turn on voice-over. Okay, can you hear me? My still broadcasting? Okay. So, one thing I have not told you, because if the first time we turn our voice-over gives you a warning, saying flows over may need to use a computer whatever, you want to do, is that in that case Kat Timpf to Britain you want to activate which is cancel or accept. Talk except, if it works fine if it doesn't work for him but you may need to tap at once and then wait a second then double tap it again. It's old marketing. I will talk about why you have to do that. Leonard Senator Cochran's work comes up with the Michael Earley boy. so I wanted to and first. and then within a home around and make sure that they have the device is turned on voice-over K? And so to get it to say something just touch anywhere on the screen. And I'm wrapped up in this. So, I tapped randomly on the screen in the of the left and he said clock. Ness that he to stop talking say you're talking talking talking he becomes overwhelmed. I'm a top that same area and he should say something like lock account and then went to take my two fingers adjuster, and get a tick two fingers in that it would teleports of the screwdriver, so great a tap on the clock I use two fingers.

So I'm tapping and I'm silencing it by tapping twice of my two fingers. I tapped once with my two fingers. So make the piece finger signed as two fingers holding up, and I tapped. If you top again you got a great amount of sound coming out of there. I don't know you have trained sounds coming up of U.S. but I like it. So if you wanted to resume speech you can tap once more. So I will try another. So, one might think I'm I'm gonna make it speak the whole freight screen. With a 52 fingers musket pistes crying and goodness wipe down where. And is can I speak everything from where I am now. So one where I last tapped on the screen to start speaking and keep going. Nice. Maybe that's part of the workshop. But yes. Because it took something like the magic type. And it's actually look really cool piece of functionality. But if you make a peace sign EF2 finger sticking up, and you tap twice is very easy, I told you do only do it once, but if you do it twice, and you activate the magic type. And that is a contextual command. And typically what it does is that it plays your media. So if you have an audiobook, but we have music, it will play. I don't know, I'll try on this but I doubt anything will play but let's give it a try anyway. So this one is no Savior but it doesn't have anything. But in other contexts, if someone calls you in using voice-over units will cause you, the phones ringing, need to get to fingers, your piece findings have twice that magic tab contextually lies in the phone. So the magic type is a way to do things quickly using voice-over to space and context. It will do other things in other contexts. The thing you may need is play your media. So thank you Josh. RA, so, I do want to come around initiative teams people have things activated. Though I like to do the for you all to do now this is your assignment while the Koran to things activated is I want you to explore your home screen okay? You can go to Joe's for an improper home button and if you have another screen you do not have a home button, -- use or you don't have an iPad, you may just be stuck on the screen currently on this fine for now. Just take your finger, one fingered only about the peace sign, take it one finger and explore the screen okay. So just move your finger around the screen and explore end of basic modalities, as you move your finger over the screen you will discover things on the screen. So we will reach out to you items that you are currently touching okay? And as a disabled user, that is useful because you explain this in finding outlets on the screen. But I haven't cover yet is how to activate items and he and the activate science and some like doing it which is God. but we'll get there and embedded in that point but for now worry about explain the screen in no way about activating Hayden's would do it shortly but I will check on people. So that is your assignment and I will be right back. Take minutes or so and I'll be right back in an end make sure they have it. Let's have a niece is anything?

Calling okay thank you.

All right at the hearing me? Okay. All right. So if you are you I see some of you have activated that and that is great. So, you've explored the screen, now what I want to show you is how to activate an item. So, do homework right now if you have the weather app on your home screen you want to find the weather app by navigating around with your finger so when it selected I wonder if I have a here? I'm turning it up to the max and then front of myself. [phone is making noise]

So there is the calendar so we can do that.

I thought weather would be on here but let's just do the calendar instead. So say you want to activate the calendar okay so what you would like to do is select the calendar and then my case this on the top right but yours may vary. And then when it is selected after you touch on it once and take your finger and tap tap twice really fast in succession okay? So tap twice... Then you hear a click tick and then it will open the app and usually when the app opens it it will announce the name of the absolute will say calendar or whatever so you know that's right or wrong. And that's how you activate those items. On the calendar up specifically this is asking me probably whatever -- this is Apple bothering me -- sure, why not calendar. Allow while using app. So I clicked on Allawi using app. And then, I'm going to double time to activate the items I can use the calendar. Now, I wanted to teach you what what my gesture and then I'm gonna cut you loose on one of the websites okay. So we did the peace sign holding two fingers up, now we're going to do three fingers. I don't have a cool name for it but, it's holding up three fingers now. In a bit of your hand probably could be any three fingers obviously but I think technique set-asides -- he can use any three fingers. Take your three fingers and then either swipe up or down and I will scroll the fall which is actually one of the main things we do in these devices it's important factor. So make sure they are selecting the area they want to scroll. So tap on the bed on the screen so far so that you there's April 16th, let me take my three fingers, and I'm going to swipe up from the bottom of the device to the top. And now it's going down the page. So, you have a screeching sound that sketching down the page. And that is the bottom. And I can go up or down. Okay? And, from in the calendar app I can swipe left to right with three fingers in a bring me to different days. So here is Thursday to Friday. And now it's a Saturday. All right. And so, what I would like for you all to do now is take a few minutes and I would like you too, it may be a challenge, but, try to pull up the website for your organization or your personal website or some other website that you use every day. Okay? It would gonna do an end accessibility evaluation. So now open Safari finding on your home screen, press the home button, and Safari is using the dog which is the part in the bottom of the screen. Find Safari, and we haven't shown you this, because I'm assuming most of you are navigating visually, but you may not be. You can also swipe with one finger left or right to move sequentially through the different items. So for messages to Safari to music and mail. So, open Safari you want to try to find your website. I will involve using the keyboard. You may want to turn voice overall for the time being above the left side. But if you want to challenge, you can try using the voice over keyboard. Which will involve typing on a ladder and then double tap into activated in the default mode okay? You may want to turn off voice-over it's find your website and then turn it back on. Is it cheating? Yes, but typing is really counting when you first thing. And I will come around the room and check on people. And then trying to -- trying to think about whether or not they say anything surprise you at this -- please be quiet, trying to ink about whether or not anything surprises you about the site. And ask yourself one of the easiest things to evaluate it all the elements and if they are labeled. When your finger over his many elements as possible and listen to what they are. And if it surprises you. Especially things like buttons and with images. Either they were correctly weather. But who made the website but this is a button? Or, 1927-1925 that HP's Eagle whatever -- but yet here we go I will be coming around. And can we pull up that cage will wear during accessibility evaluation. Yes. So they can have it right in front of them. Yes. Thank you. Fantastic. Yes please wander around that'll be helpful thank you. Forever going to need like ten more.

Okay so some people have unlocked the secret feature. And that is screen curtain which is basically a feature that makes it so that the screen does appear to be off. But the phone is not off the monkey he sees voice-over, the idea behind that if you are blind, you do not need the screen to be on racing battery over time. You don't need people looking over your shoulder seeing what you're doing. So, to turn that feature on or off I will say don't worry about a breaking trade you want. But it is three fingers and they went out three times. Okay? And I will turn off the screen and now you only with interactive would be voice-over. Okay so be gentle. and the speech is off exactly. That's another thing. If your voice-over starts talking to you but it's the kind of thinking noises and move around the screen and you clearly so long because whatever the interactions are different than you want to hold down or take ticket freethinkers attempt twice and I would tend speech by Connor Tate? Yes a lot to learn. All right, we'll go to due to my minutes and then I want to see if anyone succeeded in finding a website and navigating around. I know it's a short amount of time that's why we have will be.

This is just music to my ears. In this place is Samantha. The best default voice. And this probably Russian attacks made of mustard cement. All right, so that anyone managed to -- I will come around with the Mike, did anyone manage to pull up a website or have any sort of experience or a nap? And I'm going to trying navigators that yes, so please keep saying yes anyone ever in here somewhere? Let me come with the microphone. So probably won't because. But that is life in the big city. Thank you very much

Was brought up a website and I have two problems and I made the speech accidentally much faster than I was and I don't know how I did that.

You made it much faster than you was.

Now I can't scroll on my website.

Presenter: It looks like, what are you seeing visually they hang out? Oh it seems to be very fast. You might be zoomed in. So there's kind of an advance what to do this. Basically, this is the trick is just or the at the beginning, basically for taking two fingers like you're pinching but he wanted then turn it like a clock. So show you how to do it but is not connect -- here we go -- and that's called a rotor. It's kind like you're turning a dial like an old-fashioned dial in the way you want to do is find speech rate but you and swipe up or down to change the speaking rate. Is that good? Excellent.

Thank you.

That's a ethical Chester Borough people struggle with it. They can have promoter score reason still to be able to do that. Basically just if it works for you. It was great to turn it off if those too hard. Not as far as I know. Does anyone else -- does anyone else have an experience of opening a website may be trying out labels are looking at images during anything like that? I bet people are struggling to open a website right now that anyone open a nap and has an experience with the app, but still are? -- you want to tell us what you tried?

I tried this court, to social media app I use on a daily basis.

what was your experience?

What it not as accessible as I thought it would be.

Presenter: I used this court to come in the way that they implemented it I think they made a mistake, so if you try to swipe up or down on discord it reverses it. If you swept up the ghost. If you swipe up it goes up. They did it -- so what implemented it not really knowing how voice-over works. It still usable but it's a normal experience of using a screen reader is that things are pretty wonky. So you have to learn the ins and out of all the different things. Unfortunate but that's how it is it is what it is.

I know I'm like a Mack, they actually ask if you're using a screen reader at least as I've explained stay.

Presenter: At that one is a bit of an Etsy practice because of an aggressive effort for right now thank you. Go ahead -- tap and then take two fingers and sweat down. Talk from the top of the page to the bottom. And then keep reading continuously they go. That gives you different options. So one of them is -- exactly they can swipe with one finger up and down to change the speaking rate. Nines will navigate lot lines. I got to close it out not come back okay. Yes. I went to close it out then come around. Thank you. So, it's a little bit of a difficult gesture but if you take your finger intend like a dial and then find speaking rate and then press it once you have it swipe up or down to make it faster or slower.

Oh, okay, thank you.

Presenter: X all right. We had a couple of interesting experiences. Within a close up or let me highlight a few expenses people had. Number one was we have someone use the app discord, and there was some ugly implemented behavior that have also experienced. If you swipe up, it's it goes down. If you swipe down a close out. So it is inverted. That's pretty normal for screen readers because apps have implemented in different ways. And most often the experiences but sometimes they think you have to learn new things they don't work and that's normal. If you are interested in going a little further testing things out, to apps that might be interesting for you to explore other Twitter app, and they did find their accessibility team and they're popping up there all the time and the Honorable Avenue which you think an audiobook player was a pretty accessible but actually it is but I have some pretty hot implementations and labels. Two is actually pretty interesting use because it should be really blind friendly but it's fine it's an interesting want to exploit. So let me wrap things out here. Is -- so -- I would like to say -- let's go to the last page. I want to say, for civil how do you turn this thing off? So, I hope that it's been interesting and actually have found that whenever -- it's about five or 10% of people who tried this they don't use if everything is allowed. But they find some use cases for it. And I know there's a woman that I know her eye sit tight in the evening and she cited, but she uses voice-over to listen to articles and so on. And they are people who have expenses like that. One person uses screen curtain, or actually color inverts so he doesn't wake up as has been in the morning. Which is investor testability feature. But that's access for you, like dark modern example is a feature that was adopted by everybody. Because a lot of people like dark motor on the screen. Saudi make a difference with all of this? I would say, if you learned just a little bit and you have you on that screen readers and users now you cannot go back. But you know a little bit it. And you know how to pull up a website and try things out. But, what you should do is if your organization makes a website you don't have to be an accessibility consulting genius open up your iOS open up the screen reader and see if things are labeled and check that it is saying. Check that it's making ends working. Given the feedback and it'll make you more valuable to the organization. It's a use for sale and it doesn't necessarily require that you learn every little W tackle whatever. And the other thing you can do it this is try to create a bug report. And in his accessibility. They do listen to accessibility requests Apple does, you can tell them about bugs in iOS, or if these app developers you can check them down on email and check them down the source medium-term Twitter and say hey discord when I swipe up because up you know -- it doesn't go down. You can say that today. And phase a lot more Black people than you think. And it is helpful to you kind of add your voice to our voices when you know and when you advocate for us a little bit. So that's a wrap to the screen reader thing. The only thing I haven't told you is how to turn it off. So in the games in the same process of turning it on hold down your Syria button or the home button of the button on the top if you don't have a home button and say voice-over off. And the other thing you can do is use -- going to the menu go to settings and go to the accessibility settings which are usually about five items below in general. And then the first item in accessibility setting is voice-over going there and toggle it off. And there will be a warning, they go the voice-overs of. And then, there is a toggle hitting and they'll be a warning thing, and what's it's off you might not be able to hear your device and go ahead and say yes I want to turn it off and that of the turnoff. All right. Thank you very much and thus the end of this screenreader workshop. So, it seems like Janice Cano wrap us out here. And before she does can we just you may give a round of applause for June. [Applause] And I would also like to see a couple of words about the power that you guys have as potential advocates for people who are disabled. First of all, I hope -- there is a preaching to the choir and then another stuff, but people who care enough to come to an event like this and said to us and listen to a stock it's greatly appreciated. I would say, if you are new to accessibility, for sitting in one of the seats they have a talk too much about and you find it interesting Caswell, you now know more than a lot of people in your organization and almost everyone unfortunately. Depending on what organization you're in. So, I'm not saying that you necessarily need to adopt that mental -- but, now that you ramp this position annoying a bit more about accessibility, it is important that if you do decide to advocate in your own organization and there's a lot of ways you can do that if your teacher, this many teachers and technologies here. They are students and researchers. If you are a teacher, look out for disabled students. But also think about using accessible materials and assume you do have assessable students in your class, and Caswell. Not every student will come up and tell you about it. And you will be surprised. When I was in college I did not tell all of my professors that I could not see the blackboard you know so think about making things a little bit more multimodal by giving people resources that are you just talk in front of class. And incorporating some of these practices into your classroom. If your research or think about the kinds of papers you publish. And think about how you make it up available. And think about the kinds of papers you write. And think about equations and how unstructured you are and are you using a tool that will make those equations readable to blind people. Often is not much Michael work but if you think about it like Nasdaq election make those equations readable. And, if you are technologies, you guys are the ones who fill the stuff that we use. And you decide how it works and you decide if it's gonna be semantic and decide if people are going to be able to use that technology. And I know you don't always have that power you cannot shove it in the right direction can make a big difference for a lot of people. So now Jan will close and so, but one of us can make you be an advocate, but if you do choose to be an advocate he can make an enormous difference. Honestly, even coming out and supporting in this day of accessibility, it is an incredible -- it's incredible. I know some people have been above more emotional similar talks today and I'm one of them. It really means a lot to have people sit in the seats and think about accessibility and stem and an astronomy and to include more people in this very cool research thank you for that. So let me now give it over to Jan.

Jenn: thank you. Okay. So, we are at 5 minutes out, were basically down. Let us just wrap this up. I want to thank everyone so much for coming today and for the people online -- he really means a lot that you all came and engage with all of this. And I hope you're able to leave a little bit more knowledgeable about accessibility and a little more interested maybe thinking some steps to when you're creating things or poking things making sure that what you build is accessible. And, please tell everyone you know and share your resources in all these talks, they would post it online both the recordings of the talks and any slides that were used. There actually already posted on the schedule. And, as we are wrapping up if you have an iPad please return it to me before you leave. Okay. Maybe you raise your hand they will collect some of the iPads. Please do not speak up with one. Also, if you have a listening device, that's another device we headed out to some people that he could also please get that back as well. Okay. Also, I want to take a bunch of people for helping out with this event. We have folks on AZ, and moderator, we have a lot of people coming to organize and plan and all of our amazing speakers, and Josh Miele for coming on the way out from California. [Applause] -- and I also think we got a lot -- we listen to a lot of interesting things and I hope it percolates and you find it interesting. And I hope we'll have a nice rest of today. Goodbye. [Laughter]